The article sheds light on how Indians, along with a lot of other people are scared to say anything before thinking 10 times because of how it might be interpreted by snowflakes which might result in the company getting sued, and the people responsible, losing their jobs.

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What are some common stereotypes you've all encountered in Indian corporate culture?

I'll go first; the meetings that are never ending (and could have easily been an email).

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I felt that in recent 3-5 years the working culture and forced work are increasing in India due to stress, demotivation, and frequent change of jobs happening. 

Any proper solution to unite and we raise it to the right platform.

#Flipkart #Rapido #Ecom #Zomato #Swiggy #Amazon and all logistics and supply chains.

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I have worked in 2 Indian-born startups, one of which has its branch in US and Europe. Almost everyday I have to reach out to folks both in India and in US to ask questions and get details regarding technical features. 

Now, whenever I reach out to people in India, they all have this rude attitude while replying back. For example: if I ask a very detailed question they often don't respond back. Sometimes it takes 2 days, 2 followups to respond. 

Example: As a new joiner I asked a dev "is there is any docs regarding certain product feature. If not could you point me to the PM or EM who worked on it?"
He took 2 days to respond and his response was "NO". Just No. He didn't even read the full text. 🤷🏻 In my 10 year experience, almost 5 in 10 indian employees behave this way. 

Whenever I reach out to US folks, ofcourse they take time to respond but when they do they provide most of the info on slack; whom to reach, how to get access. They seem to have the courtesy to actually help. 

I get it, we all are busy with stuff. But shouldn't we have a basic courtesy to atleast respond respectfully? Why is this need to act superior to others?

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From my experience, I see 7 out of 10 desi people working with people in the US suck at English, some despite living there for 5, 6, 7 years or even more.

 And the reason I call them mediocre is they don’t even realize how bad they are at English. They take their non-native English speaking background as an entitlement to suck at English.

What irks me more is desi people communicate with their clients & counterparts in the US but still don’t realize the need for polishing their English language skills.

“English is not my native language but I will work with native English speakers, and suck at English.” How is this fair?

What’s your experience like?

Desi folks working with people in the US suck at English! Why?

I disagree with you. Many of them may not be able to correct their grammar so late into corporate.  
  
 Just understand that white people are working with desi people because they are cheap and good at their work. They don’t give two fucks about who’s speaking how.  
  
 I have been dealing with US and Europeans since last 8 years and yes my English has drastically improved but it doesn’t mean I have the right to shit on people who can’t.  
  
 Have you ever spoken with Russians or Germans or a Brazilian? They are worse in English than us and yet they are proud of that.

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Seeing a lots of discussion about people complaining about inflated salary, it's quite sad to see such discussions.
Take SWE for example, so an swe is expected to move to an expensive city with high travel and food expenses, scant housing options with landlords hiking the price 40-80%, work 8 hrs a day and sometimes even 12. And if  he's drawing 20-30LPA he's considered overpaid?! Not to mention the guy has to pay a huge chunk to the government and we're not americans who don't care about their family and have to take care of them as well. 
We're all overworked and underpaid (if you consider the amount of hrs one work and how much they are paidpaid in abroad) and considering the situation still underpaid. 
There may be people who might be drawing a high salary and barely do any work (considering they take a lot of leaves and don't put time and effort in work) but that should be the discussion of the inadequate framework for calculating better metrics for productivity and how companies fail to do their due diligence, instead of complaining about high salary. This affects us all and if we all think that salaries are inflated it only hurts us more.

Are Indian corporate employees really overpaid?

I've had the fortune of having worked in 3 countries so far. India is by far the most exciting place to be in 2024.
But there's something about our work ethic that just concerns me. In both white and blue collar.

In most other countries, I've observed people strictly sticking to the 9 to 5, working diligently in those hours - not wasting too much time on chai sutta breaks, instagram browsing, gupshup etc.

They work for 8 hours, then leave. And think about work directly the next day.

In India, most of us spend more hours - but very obviously very few of those hours are productive. In fact, I lately feel that too many people around me are doing even 2-3 hours of work on a good day.

We end up just staying around, passing time, and then go back home. When we could have achieved so much more.

Work ethic has fallen. Work hours have gone up.

We need to be more mindful of our actions, we need to work well at work, and then do well at home.

I think it's a function of being over populated. There are 1.5-2 people doing what 1 person should be doing, hence this effect.

Needs to be fixed, it's the sign of a major problem in the workforce. Thoughts?

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We don't end up staying long hours because we need to. But because we have to, so that the manager doesn't feel like we leave the office by "half day".  
  Also, they have a leverage that they can shut their laptops at 5 and nobody will reach out to them. But here in India, managers do reach out for escalations, or make us attend lat evening calls because it's afternoon in Europe or morning in NA. The people sitting in Europe or NA are not made to wake up early or attend night calls to accommodate us during our actual 9-5.  
  People also chit chat etc. bcz they know for sure that they have to sit for long hours..so they need to take small breaks in the day. No one has the capacity to work 10-11 hrs without any breaks.  
  Here it would never be possible to have such a strict 9-5.

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Compared to white ones. Obviously not all of us may have the same experience but this is a general stereotype and my own experience.

Please enlighten gyani people.

Why are Indian managers hard to work with?

I met one of my college friends yesterday at a bar. She got married last year and was laying down the struggle of finding a new job. 

Now, apparently in many interviews when she reached the final few rounds, the HR or the Hiring Manager enquires about marital status and whether she has any children. 

When she mentions that she recently got married and that she does not have any kids, the company stops responding to her. 

She elaborated that although they might have found another fit for the role but she is a T-1 grad who did her Masters from an Ivy League college and has worked for 4-5 years in both NA+EMEA and India.

It is becoming more apparent to her that, HRs and Hiring Managers have a strong bias because they are definitely presuming that since she recently got married and will likely have a child soon, that she will use up her maternity privileges leading to significant productivity drop. Meaning, that the company will likely have to hire someone else to make up for productivity loss.

She does not plan to have kids for another 3-4 years but getting married is proving really hard for her. 
Especially in the Series B+ startups that she is applying to.

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All these issues root from this being an employer market. We won’t see this as much in good times.

I go through multiple posts every day. Every one is cursing their company. The bosses are bad. Managers suck. Company is fraud. Is it always the company, managers , bosses at fault. How can we create better work environment in Indian Startup’s.?

Cursing the Indian Startups

I love to read about tech and how startups evolved. Have spent a lot of time figuring out how the good product companies in the US got built: Google, FB, Instagram, Snap, Pinterest etc. etc. 

One thing stands out: A lot of these started out as just projects, and not a real startup. 
Instagram was just an idea to make photo filtering better. Reddit was just a project around making a cooler internet.

They set off as projects, and got some traction before becoming funded startups. Because they had devs in the founding team, who were always doing projects as side hustles. 

This wasn't the time when SDE salaries were so pumped up, they didn't want to just become good devs, they probably wanted to solve real problems. 

My takeaway: 

Maybe Engineers shouldn’t be too incentivised to just code. They should be incentivised to think business. 
Thats how FB, Google, Insta etc happened as companies.

In India, high pay endears engineers to stick to coding, do less business thinking.
That’s why we don’t see too many coders posting their side projects on X, Reddit, GV within India. Maybe there just aren’t enough. 

Have just been thinking about this. 

Open to thoughts from the community - maybe my view is limited. Would love to hear.

Why Silicon Valley became Silicon Valley, and why that will likely not happen in India

This is an actually very true. 
  
 I’ve seen developers who are very good in the stuff they do but lack the thinking from a customer / business POV. They take the PRD and convert it into code but never ever question whether this is the experience they want to provide to the end user.  
  
 Everyone needs to understand code is a way to achieve business and to achieve business , you would need to think from a business prospective. 
  
 That’s why , I always tell my juniors whenever they code , always take a step back and put yourself in the customer shoes and think what you are doing is what you want as a customer or not

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I am so frustrated by observing how some Indian startup founders have been mistreating employees. This is happening literally in all the startups and corporates.

Many of us invest their precious time and money obtaining degrees, only to become corporate employees.

India won the WC on Saturday night, and since then, I have seen numerous rant posts from people complaining that they missed this moment because they were overworked.

The rate of employee exploitation is alarmingly high, as founders often believe they have alot of options and are driven by their greed for money.

Look at the plight of startups, the top management says they do not have money so they lay off the whole departments without any prior notice. Yet they spend so lavishly on showing investors or on their socials how cool they all are.

We are bloody engineers, not their family bound slaves.
Why do we suffer ? 

I believe it is high time that we establish a union for employees working in the IT industry.
This exploitative culture needs to come to an end.

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Majority of Indian startups has toxic work culture and the same is not true for any US or Europe based startup. Indian startups just copy paste ideas from the west and apply it to Indian context. We don't have original product barring few such as Postman and all. Why is it so and how we can improve the situation?

Majority of Indian startups are shit.

Just wanted to know why and how come our companies have horrible WLB and cultures compared to western counterparts. Is it the fault of the employees for accepting whatever and acting like sheep or is it just the mindset of the senior management to treat their subordinates the same horrible way they were treated as some sort of sick rite of passage ?

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