Product Manager

Because they are ....interns? Yo what the hell is going on today.

Founder

Not offended :) 

1. Market is like that. Full timers will not join the company if paid 10-20k, Interns will join. 
2. Typically, there is an extended relationship value with a full timer and expectations that go across years, based on grooming, learning, application, decisioning, domain knowledge, interpersonal etc. Not an apple to apple with Interns. 
3. If the graph of intern's value addition is a straight line with a 5 degree slope, the graph of a full timer's value addition is perceived to be a J or worst case a S curve. 

Humour me, on a counter. 
Why should PM Interns be paid equal to full timers?

Growth Manager

Why PM interns are paid less which ranges from 1020k but full time are paid around 80k 1lakh?

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Why PM interns are paid less which ranges from 10-20k but full time are paid around 80k- 1lakh?

PM intern vs full time

PM intern vs full time- Grapevine

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I don't understand why companies here can't pay more than 30K per month for interns. I pitched for somewhere between 40K-45K so they can't seem to consider giving it. I have a good profile for that work too.

Why intern salary so less in India if not FAANG type?

Those who are earning more than 1 lakh per month. Share your journey how you reached there and also some tips.

Big bucks boys

Software Engineer

I am a student at IITR now, looking for a PM internship. I love checking new products as a user and looking for the things that could make it more interesting. I am really stuck because I cannot find the opportunities. I check every LinkedIn, Glassdoor, well found openings but their turnout even after mailing and messaging HR is not good. I really want to put my skills out there in the corporate world and learn new things from professionals. I have not done any internship before and every company shortlisting seeks for previous internships. What would you suggest for my scenario on getting my very first PM internship?   
I have this time constraint thing for an onsite internship, I just have 2 months for an onsite intern before my college opens up again. Then after, I can definitely work remotely given the opportunity. I always put in all my hard work when a task is assigned to me.   
Please suggest how I should take things forward?
And also, if you may know of any openings for a product management internship.. please let me know.

PM Internship

Guys any idea why product management interns are paid low as compared to the Full time. While they're having high impact then their swe intern counter parts and more rigorous hiring cycle

Product

When I was interning as a PM Intern, I was making ₹25K/month. Later full time APM salary was ₹6LPA. Many of my friends got into product drawing between ₹4LPA to ₹8LPA. Is it the case across other non-unicorn companies? Does being from the premier institute affect getting a higher paycheck?

What are the product management salaries?

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TLDR;

Had a data science intern join our team. His resume was really impressive, good academic record, had a couple of research internship (NUS, IIT), 4 papers in  journals etc. His interview was just okay, but we probably got biased by his resume which looked stellar.
This guy didn’t know very basic python programming. We gave him basic task of converting a image dataset from one format to another(very first step of developing ML model). Took a week, constantly badgered all the team members, would just randomly copy code from ChatGPT, and if it won’t work, would ask us to solve it for him. Didn’t figure it out in a week, and at the end of week, we arranged a meeting with him about the update of work. Turns out, he didn’t even understand the task clearly. But we didn’t mind him, as it was his first week and we cut him some slack. The next week, I understood that he struggled in programming so gave him very basic task. He just had to figure out a command line program. Took two days, gave the result without any documentation, and the very next day he asked whether he would get the credit of his work and that it would account for his decision to full time conversion. 
Then he started taking a leave, EVERY WEEK. We used to have scrum call at 10AM, this guy wakes up at 10:30AM, and tells that he slept late and would come to office by 11AM( we had work from office policy), and he would come around 11:30AM. Would slack at work the entire day, give him some basic task, would keep asking silly doubts, copy paste code from ChatGPT and ask us to solve the bugs. Come to office without taking bath, no professionalism at all. One day I scolded him a lot, to come at time, learn some professionalism( if he doesn’t have good skills, atleast a humble attitude and professionalism should be there), but dude had no effect, comes at 12PM the very next day, missing the scrum call again. Was scolded many times, but didn’t have effect on him. 50k/per month stipend, completely wasted.

Tell story of the worst intern that you had

Very recent one

He was like Hansa (remember the Khichdi show). He did one thing at one time and takes min two weeks for each. He was with us for 4 months- none of his tasks are complete. He will do no-brainer work well; bring paper, pen, and coffee.

We had Hybrid mode with no restrictions. Initially he would just take leaves and not inform. When scolded, he would message random stuff and say he will work from home. What are you working on?!

When he was in office, he would never be in his seat. Constantly call him where are you? I'm at the canteen, I am having coffee, I was out to lunch, I will not be able to do this because someone else asked me to print a paper (stupid reasons)

End of tenure, he comes to me with some marks sheet. and asks for PPO. 
I look him dead in the eyes and say you know you haven't worked in 4 months, I cannot recommend. You can speak with my boss if you like.

Obviously he didn’t get PPO, called me again after a week, asking to look into it.

P.S. I gave him full marks because no point fucking up his career. He is capable of it himself.

P.S.S. I had interviewed him and felt such a failure to have hired someone like him.

Consultant

Machine Learning Engineer

Based on my experience, here's what I've seen so far:
PM 1 - 20-30 lakh
PM 2 - 30-40 lakh
SPM - 45-55 lakh

What does the salary range for GPM, Director and VP look like?

PM salary progression?

Met a PM from IIT / IIM with 4 years of experience. He is working at a  well know soonicorn at a salary of 17  lakhs per year . He used to draw 30 lakhs per year in his last role before we was laid off . Interesting Times ahead

PM Salaries Have Crashed.

A minute of silence to all the grapevine polls where salary expectations are so high 😁

Product Owner

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I am currently doing my internship at Amazon which is most likely not gonna get converted to a full time offer (provided the market conditions), I have another offer from EY for the role of Technology Consultant which would mainly involve work in data analysis. I have heard that it will be very tough to come back to an sde role from a consultant role. So I am in a dilemma of what to do next?
P.S. I am more inclined towards an SDE role due to the growth it provides.

Too much of a trajectory change from SDE to Consultant

Lead social, brand, perf, SEO, partnerships, community, growth, pretty much everything across zero to fairly high budgets. Happy to help.

Marketing lead, 10.5 years, here to help!

Brand Marketing Manager

In market, what are the salaries ranging for PM 2/ SPM ? 
Also, what is expected product experience for each band ?

Market Salaries

I am a pre final year student from tier 1 college( not that the college matters, trying to put in as much info as possible) . Have had a few stints in the product intern role with experiences around core PM responsibilities. What range of stipend should I expect when applying for 6 month on site opportunities in similar roles? Any advice on how to negotiate would be much appreciated.

Regarding stipends for product interns

Can anyone confirm this

PM internship

Hi, I am in my final year of my B.Tech and I just got to know that I won't be getting PPO/Full time offers from two Internships due to no opening in the ML team  for both the Internships. (Market down).

It really feels bad to have wasted my time (1year) over the internship, in the end to get nothing. 

I would be glad if someone could help me get referal for ML Roles (Computer vison, NLP, any would work).

Cheers!

Expected TC : 12-18LPA

TC: 
Current Amazon Internship: ₹1.5L
Internship 1: ₹70k 
Internship 2: ₹50K
#tech #Ai #ML #job #computervison #nlp

Bad luck ;)

Hey there,
I have started to apply in program manager roles in ed-techs such as Newton school, crio.do, upraised, etc.
What do you think is an ideal salary to ask for this role.

Current experience- 2 years as program manager in what is called as high pace start-up.

Program Manager Salary in ed-tech

Citadel hired 14 interns out of 69,000 applicants with a stipend of $19,000/month or Rs. 16Lakhs/month.

The interns flew to Hong Kong in business class from their home countries and got to stay at a five-star hotel.

And here we are just scrolling through this post.

Source: https://www.linkedin.com/news/story/the-interns-who-earn-120-hour-5443369

What are your thoughts?

16LPM INTERNSHIP

What the ideal range for PM 7yoe?

Worked for a not particularly prestigious company as a developer for a few years before doing an MBA and moving into product management. Tier 1 institutes all the way through. I've been a product manager for 3 years now, in some pretty reputed companies.

At this point, I feel like the product management role is just not for me - I do not get job satisfaction out of it. The work is not particularly interesting or challenging, and talking to people all day feels like a chore. Its no fun to be creating random reports for leadership based on wherever the winds of the day blow. Plus tbh, I could be making far more money if I had remained a developer. Just cannot see myself doing this kind of work 10 years down the line.

Thinking of applying for some dev roles - it'll take some practice, but I could probably crack senior developer interviews. 

What does the community think? Is there stigma for people who ditch product roles for development roles? Are there people who even do this? Am I being realistic about this?

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