Don't know how you're getting this impression but IMO product folks are the most overpaid bunch for doing so little whether interns or full time. 
  
 I'm not saying they are not important just stressing the overpaid part of it.

Growth Manager

Jokes aside. But the product is one of the most stressful jobs out there. Not sure actually how you're getting this impression.

Product Manager

Engineering Manager

This question confirms you are overestimating your impact .

Founder

But for swe intern the impact is more or less sane

Salaries are low because of market conditions. There’s just hundreds of interns available in the market

But you can see Amazon has increased swe intern salary....

Product Marketing Manager

Lol. Just quantify your impact in$ and how much did you do better than others in org. 
  
 If you can do these accurately the org will definitely hire you

Guys any idea why product management interns are paid low as compared to the Full time. While they're having high impact then their swe intern counter parts and more rigorous hiring cycle

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Recently set out to hire interns and had a really strange experience

Went through about 170 CVs. Most were shabbily formatted - which is okay, I understand most people aren’t that serious in college.

But then after shortlisting and setting up interviews:
- Multiple kids just did not show up for the interview. They did not even write a mail excusing themselves. Or reply to any mail from me about them missing the call.

- Some of them literally turned up for the call on their phone. They’re mostly well to do, and definitely have laptops. But just casual. 

- This reduced my selection pool to literally 8-9 interns from 180. Of these too, generally saw most of them had too much overconfidence and arrogance about them. Barely went into the depth of the answers, and would over-portray their contribution in past projects/internships, without being able to explain what they really did

I am genuinely shocked and taken aback. These were all Tier 1 college kids, and I just did not expect it to be so bad. A shock for me, and a future shock for many of these kids when they get into the workforce!

College kids have a reality shock waiting for them

Come to Tier 3 colleges, they are very humble and hardworking 😊

Software Engineer

Why PM interns are paid less which ranges from 10-20k but full time are paid around 80k- 1lakh?

PM intern vs full time

I am a Product Designer at an Edtech Startup (raising 20m Series B soon) with almost a year (1) of full time experience but overall almost 3 (including internships) at some great companies.

As I am looking for a change what salary should I expect? Considering:-

- I have a design degree from a Non-IIT/Non-NID Tier 1 University (known for good engineers) [so good foundation hopefully]
- The companies I have interned at range from Japanese MNC/Conglomerate, Indian Fashion focused E-Commerce Giant, Indian Food Tech/Delivery Giant & an Indian Digital Transformation Giant.
- The average stipend I earned at these companies was around 40K/month.
- The salary I earn right now every month is between 70 - 90K
- I believe I have Got good Product focused UX knowledge. [Part of the Product team not a seperate Design Team]
- Not another Figma/Framer drooling Designer.
- Many of my peers from my alma mater are placed in Big Tech or Desi Giants owned by Foreign Giants

So what salary should I be expecting? (Keeping aside the ESOP/RSU part)
Is ~ 1.25L/month in hand is right ask?

Please suggest.

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I don't understand why companies here can't pay more than 30K per month for interns. I pitched for somewhere between 40K-45K so they can't seem to consider giving it. I have a good profile for that work too.

Why intern salary so less in India if not FAANG type?

Are there any monetary benefits when companies hire excessive Interns?

Why are companies hiring excessive Interns?

Software Developer

I am a pre final year student from tier 1 college( not that the college matters, trying to put in as much info as possible) . Have had a few stints in the product intern role with experiences around core PM responsibilities. What range of stipend should I expect when applying for 6 month on site opportunities in similar roles? Any advice on how to negotiate would be much appreciated.

Regarding stipends for product interns

When I was interning as a PM Intern, I was making ₹25K/month. Later full time APM salary was ₹6LPA. Many of my friends got into product drawing between ₹4LPA to ₹8LPA. Is it the case across other non-unicorn companies? Does being from the premier institute affect getting a higher paycheck?

What are the product management salaries?

Saw some misguided student post about PM internships. This is for anyone considering a PM internship.

DONT.

A fresher should not be going into Product Management. Focus on building hard skills first. You need an edge/alpha in your career strategy while reducing risk.

Atleast work for 1 year in the industry in a hard skill role. Then, think about transitioning.

This does two things.

1. You have a core differentiator compared to other candidates: Engg/ Design/ Sales/ Data Science/ Analytics.

Having a PM internship is not a good enough differentiator. No company would hire a Product Management intern over someone with hard skills in another domain. 

Product is different. In SDE, it makes sense to have multiple internships as it gives confidence to the recruiter that you’ll be able to do your job.

In PM, no recruiter worth their salt will consider a PM internship contributing to you being a successful PM. Your internship doesn’t contribute anything meaningful to its ability to communicate your skill.

2. You realise if you’re getting into a field because it’s a fad or you’re genuinely interested in it.

I’ve seen many such freshers switch into product and get into suboptimal orgs. Don’t. Do your career a favour and work on your hard skills. That alone will contribute a lot more to your Product Skills than some poor internship.

As a GPM at Gojek, I will never hire anyone who has done a PM internship unless they have a solid track record in a hard skill based role.

You can only be a good “enabler“ if you can empathise with a “builder”. 

Can you be a PM out of college, YES? Should you? NO.

You’ll realise this later in your career. First gain experiences building/enabling real products, you’ll thank yourself for that when it helps you build better Products. 

Also, stop listening to these charlatans who masquerade as Product Gurus. They are out to make a quick buck. Don’t do these Product Courses. It’s all a farce. First, get some experience and then you’ll know

Why you shouldn’t do PM internships?

Arround 30% of the backend team at Devtron, Gurugram has been laid off citing performance issus which includes both Interns and full-time. The problem is they mentioned FTE on the offer letter of the interns still their offer were revoked.

All of them were hardworking guys who used to work for more then 10+ hours a day in office, completing their task in ASAP.

Performance was not an issue, they just wanted to layoff.
Interns were paid 20 K per month and were expected to work like FTE with 1 to 2 year of experience.

A month before they started pressuring to complete and handover all the task as soon as possible to get it into production 😂 so that they are in no loss.

The layoff was done on the same day on the company organised a party to celebrate.


This is for people who will be joining them as Inter n or FTE. Do not join the company if you are not ready for this thing and you are not ready for toxic management and work culture.

Work life balance is 0 here 

Be ready to become a robot 🤖 if you still join.

Layoff at Devtron

Looking for internship in product Management as a final year undergrad student. They want me onsite with a stipend of 10,000rs. 😭😭

Currently a Java developer.
YoE: 2+

Looking to transition into product management. Any leads for internships would be greatly appreciated!

Looking for Product Management Internships

It takes time to understand and master any domain. You have to do something substantial. Where has the humility gone? Does calling yourself Leader increases chances of getting jobs? It’s mind boggling
And shallow.

Why are 2-3 YOE people calling themselves leader(product leader , engineering leader)?

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I am currently doing my internship at Amazon which is most likely not gonna get converted to a full time offer (provided the market conditions), I have another offer from EY for the role of Technology Consultant which would mainly involve work in data analysis. I have heard that it will be very tough to come back to an sde role from a consultant role. So I am in a dilemma of what to do next?
P.S. I am more inclined towards an SDE role due to the growth it provides.

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