I even saw PM interns coaching others for PM roles 🤦‍♂️

Software Engineer

Product Manager

Yeah. Most of the pms don’t do any real pming stuff. 

Too much pr stuff. Like netcore reached out wanted to publish some article with my collab. Some other company reached out, wanted me as coach 😂

Software Developer

As for a "good" PM, you have to be restless to find the signal in the noise around.

The same applies here :)

Coming from a SPM. Lifecycle of most PMs: 1. Become a PM 2. Keep posting same trite content on LinkedIn 3. Then register yourself as a coach on some PM community. Nothing against them but frankly n...

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Coming from a SPM.
Lifecycle of most PMs:
1. Become a PM
2. Keep posting same trite content on LinkedIn
3. Then register yourself as a coach on some PM community.
Nothing against them but frankly none of them ever post a content or article on what features they have launched or worked upon.
Forget any launch,they won't even share the domain learning.Most of the time it will be the copy pasted content from Marty Cagan and Shreyas Doshi

Too much bakar from PMs

Too much bakar from PMs- Grapevine

Hi Folks, coming across on linkedin lot of posts by PM Influencers and it is literally overwhelming. How to separate good content from the annoying ones. Can an aspiring PM fix to few consistent quality resources and do quietly PM work.


Are quiet PMs able to learn more on product management.


Day by Day Linkedin posts on PM by PM Influencers are shitholes.

Quiet PMs

Met a PM from IIT / IIM with 4 years of experience. He is working at a  well know soonicorn at a salary of 17  lakhs per year . He used to draw 30 lakhs per year in his last role before we was laid off . Interesting Times ahead

PM Salaries Have Crashed.

A minute of silence to all the grapevine polls where salary expectations are so high 😁

Growth Manager

Product Owner

1. High pressure on timelines- business and top management shits on you if you don’t deliver on time
2. No power to control the outcome- engineers don’t listen to you neither does the design or analytics team, you end up begging for resources
3. Too much politics- business or a senior PM can steal your bandwidth anytime
4. Lack of recognition- if it succeeds business did it, if it fails it is product teams fault (engg never gets blamed for shit)

I believe Product Management is a really toxic role

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This PM Bhaiiiyyyyaaa ❤️❤️❤️❤️ has 124k followers on LinkedIn

Wdy think about this take on PM careers by amul.exe? Is future this grim?

Someone told me that it is an issue that can be solved by having high agency but it is exactly the thing that is penalized first. You can only affect the locus of your influence but when you need to get work done collaboratively it is mind numbing work.

You need to sell, sell and sell. Not the right ideas always win but the loudest guy who is really chummy with the founders. Most founders can't do any better because it serves their ego. Doing things right means accepting that your throughput of ideas based in gut call is bad for the company. Having a system where meritocratic ideas win while "smart" show-sha people who are all talk and no show are fired straight up.

I have myself witnessed the death of culture when the inner circle does as what they want to, and soon the it turns very toxic for everyone involved. I can tell you that right now I am pretty much sure that 4 people will leave within 1 year, even if they were offered a 100% hike.

High agency means that you can only do the best with the cards that have been dealt to you. But even with high agency you cannot expect to solve big problems that extend beyond your scope of responsibilities.

PM RANT: Launching anything in a big company is an "impossible task"...

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Do anyone else think PMs aren't very good at the things they are supposed to do.
It is evident from failing products across industry.
Any views??

Are PMs even revelant?

So I've met many PMs in my career. Most have been sub par, poor performers, can't even do IC work. The ones who can do IC work, can't think. The IC work is generally project management not product. They need someone to tell them directions

So here's a few things. The best PMs I've met, are good engineers. Yes. These are the same folks who come for product management conferences and are respected. 
Of course not all engineers are good at product.
The role of product came up with manufacturing first when you had product designers who worked with engineers and had a good understanding of both engineering limitations and user understanding. 

Some of the PMs I have met don't even talk to users. The reason i am seeing an issue in PMs in India is the increase in demand in the role, and a lack of supply.

There is a product engineer role, I met a few folks who are doing that, they were amazing. Knew technology, users, product and super passionate.

I'm not saying this is a hard and fast rule, I'm sure there are folks who have a natural inclination, so if you're an exception, understand that. Don't get offended by the statement

What PMs lack in India

Founder’s Office

Its been a few good years of product roles being adopted in Indian companies big & small, 
Yet they remain the most random wild cards.

From skewness towards just tools (SQL, Clevertap, Jira etc) to absolute monstrosity in 3 years exp + MBA + tech background for an APM role 🤡

Latest trend is domain experience. N years in Retail, Erp, Cloud etc. 

Golden days of free entry and learning are over. 

Let’s see how things go if the role even survives in its current form(s).

Evolution of the product role

Would you rather be an Engineer learning how to Product or a Product Manager learning how to Engineer?

Answer is obvious mate. And it's already in motion. 
 Everyone knows current product management breed is a messed up fraudulent bunch. They will run into poverty if they don't change ways🙂

Founding Engineer

There are lots of videos and blogs from US PMs, but nothing from Indian PMs. What am I missing?

How to know about Product Management in India?

I empathise with this person.

But

This is an important learning for all the young folks - wasting time of those fancy headline tags, regurgitating public knowledge on LI won’t help. Many hiring managers look for a person who can fold the sleeves and work, not play “advisory” roles in general. 

Focus on real work, even when you’ve free time spend it on health, friends and family. 

P.S. - This might sound preachy but I wanted to highlight when everyone wants to be a mentor before becoming a learner.

Learning : Content creation & network effects

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Tier 3 CS undergrad (Sophomore/Second Year)

I see most of my batchmates are into tech. None of them are interested in product management. So I wanted to give it a try. 

How to build a profile for PM? 

Also I don't find opportunities for PM at UG level and the ones which are displayed on LinkedIn etc. are only for Tier 1 students mainly IITs and IIMs.

Too much bakar from PMs

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