Toxic Leadership in Engineering and Product
Somehow in india all the product startup’s have adopted the most toxic and worst translation of what it’s being like as a product manager and engineering management. Both these roles have become nothing but fear mongering, power grab, and most being extremely bias towards almost everything. So your success is very much dependent on how your manager is and the opportunity that they provide. So if you want to avoid toxicity sooner, it’s the right step rather than stick and fail in the long term. Once again, I am talking based off of my 10 yoe. You may have a different experience and I’d definitely wanna learn more.
JackRod
Stealth
a year ago
Engineering management is pure dumb in India for US product companies. Non contributing managers and directors who won't even pass design interviews. These are parasites who'll latch on new host, one of the reasons keeping India down and also talent leaving
WheelOfTime
Stealth
a year ago
This current breed of IIT IIM founders who only know how to crack exams and interviews and have been given affirmation their whole life and then weasel their way into leadership positions after being fed money by the current breed of IIT IIM VC analysts - is the problem at heart. Also all men who can’t even wash their own dishes. How do expect someone like that to train and guide and deliver value to society?
This rant tells me that you’re envious, nothing else. As much as you’d like to believe it, ik it’ll be tough to entertain another opinion- IIT IIM VC <> Founder nexus exists only as a subset of the industry and even then good luck trying to get anything out without impressing them w everything you’ve got and done till now.
No ones handing out freebies. “Also all men ..” is particularly salty. The f do you know about lives of “all men”. If you’re a woman in tech w no college brands I’d suggest to not make the “System” your scapegoat and let complacency set in.
Definitely agree
Getting more work done is a good sign, and being toxic with your reportees can seem like a great thing to do
It works only when the startup is in a super fast growth phase though, and people have incentives to put up with toxicity.
The moment shit hits the fans, these leaders will be the first to go down. Not a long & correct way to be a REAL leader.
Imo it’s a cultural issue. Only way to mitigate this would be to have a strong 360 degree feedback program.
Also it’s very important to do deep referral check especially when you’re hiring for any managerial level role.
Do the hardworking. Don’t outsource this work to shitty agencies.
PerfectPower
Stealth
a year ago
No amount of referral or review can help in this one, because the true colour only works when you work with people 1:1 in day to day. Initial 20-30 days would be fine, then we see the true authentic self which can be mostly geared towards toxicity. On the contrary, I wonder if any one feels they have a good manager that can help skew our feedback towards hey let’s all find places where there is good management.
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There is a simple logic that leaders when asked by their managers/founders believe in:
If it takes one woman 9 months to deliver a baby, 9 woman can do the same in one month.
Everything is a P0. It's hard to make them understand that if everything is urgent then nothing is.
MorseHorse
Stealth
a year ago
True. Say the business is underperforming. What a lot of product leaders will do is to try to push for insane targets with poor priorities and dump a lot of “Find out how to solve this problem “ and when the team fails, you can just say “The team is not able to step up” allowing you to successfully shift the blame.
Habhaithik
Stealth
a year ago
Sorry to hurt you but you haven't had a chance to work in good places in your ten years
PerfectPower
Stealth
a year ago
Unfortunately this happened only towards the far end of my career atm since the past 3-4 years before this I was working in the Us where I had no issues because the culture entirely was different from the ground up.
Habhaithik
Stealth
a year ago
In recession all cultures have gone to shit
Namkeen
Stealth
a year ago
Agree all was well since last year. We were family, was getting leave to rejuvenate. Abhi jazbat badal diya, haalat badal liya
hellloworld
Stealth
a year ago
💯 true
poco007
Stealth
a year ago
Expecting good leadership culture at Unacademy seems ironic no?
PerfectPower
Stealth
a year ago
Not there anymore. Anything to add ?
What exactly is the definition of toxic ?
I'm fresher just joined a early stage startup, 2 weeks back
Imnewhere
Stealth
a year ago
You'll get to know in a month 😀
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