Why are 2-3 YOE people calling themselves leader(product leader , engineering leader)?
It takes time to understand and master any domain. You have to do something substantial. Where has the humility gone? Does calling yourself Leader increases chances of getting jobs? It’s mind boggling And shallow.
Sadmonk
Stealth
a year ago
Just curious what's substantial in your opinion say for a product person?
Yep at least a decade. I’ve done 8 years in PM and find it incredibly funny when folks with half the experience (time, scope, scale) provide gyaan and talks and have the product leader tag.
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2-3 years? Product Management interns write “Building {company_name}” these days. These kids probably don’t know to write a print statement in python and think that they’re building a company. I have a lot of respect and admiration for the PM function, however, a lot of GenZ kinda PMs just keep bullshitting these days.
Pythagoras
Stealth
a year ago
Hey, what's bad about writing "building"? Technically they are building something at work right? Just curious.
Yea but it is about the message they are trying to convey. Would you call changing font size of in-app notification "building" the company?? Mostly no. It takes collective effort of entire team and departments to build and deliver meaningful impact. So, no one person alone is responsible for it unlike what 2 year experience kids portray on LinkedIn
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Sapthinker
Stealth
a year ago
100’s of Vice President in banking orgs..
They cant even lead their lives forget leading at workplace. 😂
Tags have become gimmick.
Genuine question: If my company has given me an unjustifiable title, should I not use it?
How do I convey to HR/others that my actual knowledge level is below what my designation name indicates?
Noo you don't, you actually stay and learn something that justifies your title and not just get the title and skip for calmer seas. While you're there why not just do it‽
Kohli_virat
Stealth
a year ago
🎯
DarkerKnight
Stealth
a year ago
Designations are a fad now with no meaning to the names
Sadmonk
Stealth
a year ago
Yeah it's like as a founder you sometimes get this person that's okay with taking a pay cut just for a better title. And I'm like yeah why not doesn't really hurt me. I think that's just grown everywhere
startups designations ka koi deen dharam nahi hota.sab man marzi ke mutabik kuch bhi dedete hai
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Stealth
a year ago
Vice President of Engineering, and he has experience of around 4-5 years. 12 LPA. Bangalore. Ab batao bhai. Uske saath bhi na insaafi ho rahi hai waise.
yeah too many made up titles- founders office, strategy's ops. director or lead, etc. right out of college and within 2 to 3 years of experience Note 1-3 yrs of work experience as an Analyst or Associate at top-tier VC funds, or consulting firms (MBB), or at fast growing consumer tech startups (esp RMG/Commerce)
- Undergrad from top colleges including IIT/BITS/NSIT/DTU/SRCC/St Stephen's LSR/Ashoka
They automatically become leads and get jobs at top start ups based on their school, brand name)
this is pretty common these in the VC world, start up world - #shallow
Sooper42
Stealth
a year ago
How salty brother?
Agree, gone are the days when leaders in company were usually personified by deep knowledge, years of experience (atleast 10-15 years) and seen by white hair which counted proudly as a sign of experience. Nowadays these slim fit guys/girls with not much experience are becoming leaders so called is really weird.
To be fair, it’s perfectly fine to be a 10-15 yrs leader AND be fit😅🤔 aspirational even
Yeah I agree regarding fitness. The point I am trying to make is more of a wise experienced image being revered for generations in any field and that personifies with the older men and women.
Soros
Stealth
a year ago
I see this as positive as culturally India was an underconfident natiom but these 2-3YOE junta is way more confident so good on a broader scale. Time and experiences bring humility anyways
Confidence and having know-it-all attitude are different things . Latter type are very hard to work with .
Know it all attitude comes when you don't know the superset i.e how big the domain is how hard it is to master. I presume it is all done as a perk to flaunt on social media which is more important for current generation
As long as they're able to justify it within their interactions with people, what's the harm?
It’s almost impossible to justify it unless you’re a genius (rarity)
Aise toh Zepto co-founders ke paas 4 saal SDE fir 3 saal EM for 4 saal Head of Engineering experience nahi hai before becoming founders, unko bhi demote karke intern bana dete hai chal
This entire post and comment thread (some 20 odd comments I read) really do not consider how fast companies (specially medium-large B2C product orgs) pull young folks like APMs and entry level engineers to build and own E2E scalable products and tech stacks/services due to business requirement.
Yes, flaunting themselves as experts in a domain without experience is not right, however one cannot devalue someone's expertise in the field just because they're not as experienced or "hasn't made as many mistakes" as one believes.
Well, in my experience, interviewers, investors and "mentors" who have these opinions will always disregard the scale and impact someone young and with lesser experience brought in for their product just because they don't have the years to show for it. Unpopular opinion, I know, but I believe still needs to be said and pointed out.
It took me 15 years in the industry to finally muster the courage to call myself a leader on LinkedIn.
CaptainLazzo
Stealth
a year ago
When you achieve some success in a short time it leads to a certain level of Arrogance. This is why
Not even success I would say just fake title inflation or some reason. If it is justified then it’s understandable.
Geminiman
Stealth
a year ago
Not on product but on visual design was made lead by my org even I was surprised
Ghumu
Stealth
a year ago
I know 1.5 YOE tech lead.
