TwirlyPotato
TwirlyPotato

Today, I've made the decision to leave the country.

I was to give an interview for a post-graduate degree abroad, and right up until today morning I still had mixed feelings about leaving the country. The first startup I worked in was built on the idea of Digital India and right up until my last employer, I believed and wholeheartedly bought into the future of this country.

Until the events of the last few years. Our family was extorted for money (through threats to demolish our home under false pretences) leading up to elections in Bangalore by a BJP MLA and his corrupt crew. My entire layout has become a hotbed of Hindutva nationalism to the extent that some Muslim households keep their curtains permanently closed and sadly I've lost some very good friends simply because I didn't side with them or chose to remain apolitical.

But I think the last straw was today. I don't know why but today of all days I've made the decision emotionally to quit India.

To be clear I have no issues with the temple and frankly, I don't know enough to battle the inevitable "you're not a true Indian/Hindu" comments that will follow this post. It's just that I have this sinking feeling we have now so thoroughly mixed politics with religion that we will never go back from here. If you think this is a victory for Hindus fair enough, but it also feels like a loss for a secular nation.

Am I alone or wrong in feeling this way?

PS: If you want to debate, please do with some sensible comments. It has taken a lot for me to come and post this here even if it is anonymous. I would greatly appreciate it if we could have a conversation and not a put-down contest.

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CosmicKoala
CosmicKoala

All the best. Where are you moving? Iraq or Syeria?

TwirlyPotato
TwirlyPotato

@Astroturf LOL. Yes, those are the only two other countries in the world. You forgot Pakistan though.

PerkyMochi
PerkyMochi

Both are better than a permanent address in Modi’s ass

SqueakyBoba
SqueakyBoba
  1. Go back and read history
  2. You didn't make mistake.. our ancestors and British did this to you.
  3. When you are willing to quit India why not consider changing area and moving to New place ?
  4. Why not step outside and observe them ? You may be treated once or twice bad. But you can watch and help when needed and may be you can be in their good books some day.

Be brave Jai Shree Ram! Jai hind !

TwirlyPotato
TwirlyPotato

Bro/sis I truly don't understand what is it you're trying to say. My post is about the feeling of losing my country.

I'm not talking about other countries being better or that I'm begging them because of some colonial hangover. I have read history like you. What I'm asking is this degree of mixing politics and religion right or am I misplaced in thinking this is unhealthy. You have ignored all that and given me a 4 step action plan I didn't ask for.

SqueakyBoba
SqueakyBoba

Bro/ sis i don't know why you are not able to understand. But Let me try this way by asking you a question. On what basis was Bharath and Pakistan created ?

SillyJellybean
SillyJellybean

Tbh it seems like other countries are on a similar path wrt racism and anti immigrant sentiment. Be careful with your chosen country.

TwirlyPotato
TwirlyPotato

True! Maybe it's a new reality that everyone needs to adjust to no matter where you are. Here I was thinking capitalism is the religion of our times XD

SillyJellybean
SillyJellybean

Money doesn't negate biology and tribal nature unfortunately

WigglyPanda
WigglyPanda

Bro, just think on objective terms. Leave idealogy & political affirmations aside.
Every 1st world country will treat you like an outsider until you become extremely important (like Vivek Ramaswamy), chances are you will have to be an extremist there too.
Here you have an unfair advantage as a majoritarian. Choosing to remain apolitical is much better than facing discrimination yourself.
Unless money is the motivation, leaving India sounds like a senseless decision to me.

PS - You really don’t appreciate your domestic help enough.

TwirlyPotato
TwirlyPotato

Thank you for actually giving a thoughtful response. I'm aware that there will be some racism and loneliness outside. That's definitely a thing to consider. Plus it's not easy especially if moving to Europe is an option where language is a barrier.

Money is one of the reasons yes.

PS: We love our maid! She's been with us for 12 years now and we have put one of her daughters through school!

GoofyWaffle
GoofyWaffle

if money is priority then which country is good? us?

CosmicQuokka
CosmicQuokka

There are very few countries which don't have religion entangled with politics.

Wherever you move, expect the unexpected, good luck.

SillyJellybean
SillyJellybean

Is there any? I doubt

CosmicQuokka
CosmicQuokka

For starters china comes to mind where politics is isolated from religion, there would be few more.

BouncyDonut
BouncyDonut

Ignore this post, He is here to farm grapes and take advantage of our positive sentiments and joyous moments

DerpyMuffin
DerpyMuffin

This was a really thought provoking read that made me reflect too. I think wherever you go, you need to come to terms with India now as a political society no longer reflects the values you grew up with or you were taught at school. the Ayodhya temple is a watershed moment where religion and politics were mixed to such an extent. We are in the unprecedented territory now and I’m scared to see where this will end.

My biggest reason for staying back is my family. And even that past a point I’ll have to decide what point my own mental peace can withstand everything that’s happening.

Back in the worst of the Karnataka anti hijab bullshit in 2022, I reached out to a prof from undergrad I consider a mentor. He is an OCI (American citizen) but lives and does research in India. So I spoke to him last year. I told him, look all this is happening in India, I think emigrating will solve that.

He says, you are upset about what’s happening here, it will still persist abroad PLUS you have all the difficulty of adjusting to a new culture as an emigrant.

And I think there are bigger issues of where to go if I decide I can no longer put up with this .. US is in a big mess (and they are stupid enough to re elect Trump most likely next year). Canada mein the same problems. Europe maybe.. but Netherlands / Germany / France are all seeing a right wing resurgence.

I was looking at South East Asia too. When I was at Gojek it used to offer relocation to Indonesia (which is still fast growing and a large economy) and there are lots of Indian expats there. But there also they have some similar problems as India (increasing religious interference in politics and law)

TwirlyPotato
TwirlyPotato

What you shared is super interesting. Your mentor is right about these things. To be clear, I was okay with the chronic corruption, the typical hypocrisy of the middle class but for some reason the religious factor pushed me over the edge despite being an atheist.

In that case if I had to choose between countries with 1st world taxes and infrastructure, and India which has 1st world tax but 3rd world corruption and infrastructure then I would go with the former since religious right wing fervor is a given.

CosmicMochi
CosmicMochi

Basically you are proving the points

Everywhere ppl are agitated by the too liberal policies. Why are they agitated? Point to ponder

Same case in our country too. Historical injustices needs be acknowledged and corrected
Else this go on

SnoozyDumpling
SnoozyDumpling

All the best for your future. Having spent a good part of my working life abroad, in several countries, I can vouch for the fact that you might face prejudice and racism everywhere. Maybe not overt, but for sure. The best thing to do is to keep your nose to the grindstone, lay low and follow all the rules and regulations of your chosen country. Needless to mention, steer clear of their politics and internal issues. This will give you slow but steady professional and economic success. For sure. As for a sense of belonging, or cultural fitment, I'm not so sure you will find that anywhere else. Flawed as we may be, we are essentially Indian. Even in countries with a sizeable diaspora, you will only find an imitation India. The real deal, warts and all, only exists here. Nevertheless, all the very best for your future. I wish you all happiness.

TwirlyPotato
TwirlyPotato

Thank you for the wishes! When I wrote this post this was the kind of perspective I was hoping for. Thank you again for sharing your story, and I will keep in mind your advice :)

MagicalBoba
MagicalBoba

All the best. Do well.

Anyways, Jai Shree Ram.

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