Idiots hiring! Pocketfm edition
The stupidity and arrogance of some leaders in some companies to use colleges as filter criteria for what is clearly irrelevant for the role. Mostly these idiots end up fucking up company after company creating these neo-casteist groups sucking off and living off each other. This identity based hiring is the start of corporate politics. I still don’t understand how difficult it is for fucking idiots to understand that while hiring for most roles you have to encourage diverse backgrounds at the start of the process to help you hire the right candidate for the long term, specially in a startup. PS I’m not against preferring candidates from certain colleges if it’s relevant. What i do hate is this herd behaviour of trying to hire only from your alumni the moment you are given leadership roles. It must be such shitty experience to work under idiots like these if you are not from their alumni colleges because their biases play into all evaluations they do about their teams.
DesignTinker
Stealth
4 months ago
This is pretty common, has been like that for ages. It’s their company and their rules. You also have the freedom to NOT apply. Maybe they have had better experiences with candidates from top tier universities. Remember getting into most tier 1 colleges is itself difficult and only top talent make it. Also get better academic infrastructure, exposure to alumni networks, etc. So there are high chances they will do well.
Doesn’t mean that candidates from non-tier1 universities can’t excel. Some can be equally good or even better. Maybe these guys don’t want to take a chance with this role.
1. You can hire without a bias. Just need to be a better leader.
2. I am not applying for the job.
3. It’s a 6 year old company. It has at max 3000 folks. So previous experience isn’t relevant metric to use.
4. I have nothing against hiring with college filters if it’s relevant and I have huge respect for people who have studied from those colleges
5. Don’t want to take a chance is not right argument if you want to build a company with great lasting culture.
6. Previous experience as basis of discriminating publicly is not a defense to perpetuate stereotypes.
People should expect better from people.
Next21
Stealth
4 months ago
Spoken like a loser. Shut up and live your sad life.
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Hate to be that guy but this way its much more easier for the HMs, HRs. Plus, trust comes in easy if someone is from same college.
Also, earlier I respected tier 2/3 people who made it big but kinda don't like the superior attitude most of them have "kya ukhaad liya tier 1 jake ham bhi yahi t bhi yahi"
Firstly, no we are not at the same level, huge difference in salaries at every level. Secondly, even if its same, college is MUCH MORE than securing a job, more like a byproduct(for me, at least)
If someone has worked hard at any point in life, they can milk it as long as they want.
PPS- You are not a fucking innovative community if your community is built out of college tags.
BiryaniEnthu
Stealth
4 months ago
Whoa! Shaant bheem shaant
I read this post all angry and hyped up 😅
But 100% agree with you!
EvilCemetery
Stealth
4 months ago
Do you think this "college tags" would be irrelevant anytime soon in future? Or in Indian job scene it won't be the case.
I see people arguing that it doesn't matter anymore on the contrast many companies hire based on college criteria.
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There is absolutely no need to do this tbh
I don't know why this exists.
For a growth manager role, there's absolute 0 relevance that going to IIT/IIM has.
Now, sure, people from these institutions are intelligent and hard working as a function of cracking entrance tests.
But then you could prioritize them when interviewing. Why completely fend off good candidates (who might be much better) before they apply?
They want high IQ employees and want to impress investors. Hiring people from good universities accomplishes that.
I agree
But distancing yourself from other candidates who could be as smarter isn't the best idea.
You should filter out after receiving applications, not completely shoo away everyone else
Iit iim guys are best mind
No tier 2 3 college guys can compete with them
They are best talented and productive
Best minds
Dont be jealous
sastashahrukh
Stealth
4 months ago
I know this isn't ideal.
Some practical advice: HRs often add these filters to make their job easier. You can DM employees inside the company to identify the Hiring Manager, and DM him/her on LinkedIn. If your profile is good enough and you can show how you'd be a good culture fit, you have a chance.
deadpm
Stealth
4 months ago
++
if you prove that you are good enough to someone important enough, you are bound to get an interview
cusp
Stealth
4 months ago
So true- having similar approach towards work might lead to dead end, having team members from diverse backgrounds leads to interesting view points, problem solving approach, knowledge exchange etc
redWiper
Student
4 months ago
I heard pocket FM is having some crazy WLB. Folks in growth roles are putting 60-70hr weeks.
Umadbro
Stealth
4 months ago
Many companies use iit/iim as a proxy for hustle. Hiring is always going to be probabilistic. They are not saying they would hire anyone who went to these colleges (else there won’t be a process) but one less thing for them to evaluate a candidate on.
There would be many deserving candidates outside of iit/iim too, but harder to find that among the noise. They may have a more holistic process when they are bigger, but for now, proxies seem like a good compromise. Many growing companies do not have enough resources to devote to the process.
As to it being arrogance or idiocy, to each her own. Many candidates don’t realize that they can still apply and if they have a good profile they will get a call.
Diversity is a roundabout way of saying “hire mediocre candidates” as they would be in the process for quality alone.
Schools don't solve function-specific problems a company has. Hard skills and experience do.
Unfortunately, a tag of an institute with an inherent selection bias is the way of the world. They thoroughly believe out of the millions out there, only these many from these institutes are talented.
DarKnight
Stealth
4 months ago
There are two parts to this:
1. Having more IIT and IIM alumni in the company help with the company raising more and bigger rounds.
2. IIT and IIM alumni have mostly worked very hard and got where they have, they are very good with data, which is a requirement and a must for Growth roles, reasons why Pocket FM is doing very well. (AI will eventually replace this)
The other side of the coin:
1. IIT and IIMs deplete the company funds with their bloated salaries, there’s a lot of mismatch with folks in the same position and band but not a IIT/IIM tag drawing lesser salary
2. IIT and IIMs come with a management mindset and hardly get into execution of things and focus more on strategy which honestly is overhyped and AI does a better job at it.
To be honest if you’re in the profession, progress will be determined by the brands and tags you carry right from Graduation and Masters to the companies you have worked with.
Those who don’t have these, will require patience, a decade of minimum work experience and more to eventually get there.
Even in terms of funding, companies with IIT/IIM/ISB alumni easily get funded because of the network effects.
Sometimes it all about their past experience
and lot of times hr wants to close hiring very fast and don't want to take much risk
In all these case keep this as filter saved them a lot of times,
But they have to pay price for that in compensation
When someone put IIT as criteria people consider it as clg tag but it is actually proxy of good aptitude, analytical skill and hardwork mindset
All these because they have raised a funding wait for a year or 2, u will find this ship sinking soon
Grapes are sour for you..instead of ranting look for compnies where they are hiring without iit/iim tag. If you are so much talented your accomplishments will talk itself not the degree.
Sadly good companies don’t even visit non pedigree colleges. This backward thinking exists outside India too afaik. If this formula worked then why aren’t the top companies using same. Rather top companies are allowing non degree people to interview too
criticalresourceF99
Stealth
4 months ago
IIM/IITs resources are cash cows to get more funding
I completely agree with you. I've been in your shoes. Eventually I understood we can't be frustrated or complain about this practice. One way to change this attitude is leading by example. It is their company they will only set the terms. But what you can do is when you start a company you bend the terms to your will. Zerodha and Zoho are famous classical examples. Many such untold stories are out there. If you want to belong to PocketFM, you have to bend to their will. But a very good thing to remember is there are opportunities where your work will be appreciated beyond the college tags.
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