Engineer's Day!❌ Why don't celebrate on labour day, if we are doing labour at the end of the day?😂

Engineer's Day!❌
Why don't celebrate on labour day, if we are doing labour at the end of the day?😂

Engineer's Day

Software Engineer

Engineer's Day- Grapevine

Welcome to Software Engineers's Private Community

Happy Engineers day! 🧢

Investor

Shit! Sunday was Engineer's Day

Growth Manager

Welcome to Office Gossip's Private Community

Corporate Slave cluesless on how to have fun on Labour's Day Holiday

Consultant

Welcome to Business Roles's Private Community

Young SWE start with double digit salaries, while someone in Non tech will need 5-10 years to reach that level
Even the business roles, the direct revenue generating roles don't pay good traditionally

Funny how techies think everyone gets paid similar
A lot of it changed with startups trying to acquire talent, but not sustainable
Because the market simply doesn’t pay

How do non tech compete with this skewed demand-supply chain?

Tech and Non tech Pay Partiality is something no one talks about

Engineers deserve their pay.  
  
 1 - The code that engineers write are assets of a company. The code might keep running and serving customers for years after a engineer has probably even left the company.  
 On the other hand, the work that most non-tech folks do are not assets, but an operational expense.  
  
 Companies don't derive benefit of a non-tech even beyond the same month the work is performed.  
  
 The difference is the same as painting your house vs brushing your teeth. You don't paint your house everyday but you do brush your teeth. Painting here is a long lasting asset, adds to the value of the house. Brushing is necessary work but with ultimately perishable benefits.  
  
 2 - Code that engineers write provide non-linear benefits. A team of 30 in Zerodha were able to serve 3-5x more customers in the pandemic. This same scalability does not apply to non-tech majdoori. Business has scaled? Hire more heads. Not with code. 
  
  
 Obviously above does not apply to senior managerial folks who build and architect the organisation, set the cultures, create processes. The impact of their work is long lasting and non-linear. But work of junior business non-tech folks - well, they're getting paid as much as the value they create. Low leverage, low pay. Coding is very high leverage. 
  
 Before you jump on me, I worked for sales in years. Then shifted to product. Above two points are a reality whether you like it or not.

Product Manager

Welcome to Product Managers's Private Community

1. High pressure on timelines- business and top management shits on you if you don’t deliver on time
2. No power to control the outcome- engineers don’t listen to you neither does the design or analytics team, you end up begging for resources
3. Too much politics- business or a senior PM can steal your bandwidth anytime
4. Lack of recognition- if it succeeds business did it, if it fails it is product teams fault (engg never gets blamed for shit)

I believe Product Management is a really toxic role

Saw this on Twitter today. Tech Mahindra hiring graduates for 3.25 LPA and 24*7 Shift timing. I talked to various people to get an idea of their pay. 
A) A plumber lives near my house. He said he earns 2-3k daily and works for 20-25 days average. He earns 50-60k per month. 
B) Electrician earns in the same range. 

And other technicians and workers like this who are skilled earn a lot more than a software engineer. 
This is the hard reality. Students study for 16 years and pay 15-20 lacs college fees for this.

Plumbers, Electricians earn more than an average engineer.

Welcome to the real world! 
  
 At the same time, you should know electricians/plumbers add more value to the society than a “fresher” TechM shift employee. If you’ve paid college fee that should not entitle you for a high-paying job. It’s just a privilege.  
  
 Sooner you realise this, better it would be.

Business Analyst

- Agile is all about having stand-ups.
- Agile is all about having JIRA updates, burn down reports, velocity, story points, release cadence & similar jargons.
- Agile is all about having meetings, sprint planning, sprint review, retrospectives, story time, etc.
- Agile is all about making the code work just to show the output at the demo.
- Agile helps in continuous improvement of something. (Nobody knows what’s that ‘something’)

With no offense to people in agile role, I want to ask everyone: Is agile all about understanding its definition in a wrong sense? What’s your story like? Comment.

Wrong definition of Agile. Narrate your experiences.

Software Architect

Ask any tech bro to work on Saturday and they will start crying about work life balance. FYI most professionals in India work on Saturdays. In India more than 90% folks are self employed. 

Lawyers, accountants, doctors, plumbers, carpenters, business owners all of them work on Saturdays. Your work life balance comes because you enjoy their services on Saturday and Sunday going around spending money and having fun. 

So not working on Saturday is a privilege and not a compulsion. 

On one side we are sad that companies lay us off and on the other side we want work life balance even at the cost of the growth. We despise anyone who creates wealth. 

Chal kya raha hai? Sabko startups mein bhi MNREGA scheme chahiye kya? Have some growth mindset folks. 

With so much work life balance you are just stuck in Manali traffic jam and Krishnagiri toll booth. 

Happy Traffic Christmas 🎁

Only tech Bros keep crying about work life balance!

Senior Software Engineer

Welcome to Data Scientists's Private Community

I am a fresher working as a Data analyst in a growing startup. My current role doesn't include much of coding just python and SQL and sometimes little bit ML work. Currently handling 2 projects, and some of PM work to define some roadmaps.
I like engineering and coding in whole and want to know more. So do I switch to some SDE role or is there are more paths after Data analytics? I know ML, DL and NLP but not sure will it be a great choice to make career primarily in Data science.
So, I am little confused. Please give all good advices.

Thanks
A curious Engineer

What's after Data Analyst post?

I will go first, it doesn't matter if you really work hard on a project, in the end only result matter, no matter how much efforts you made for it

Lesson you have learned from Corporate

Software Developer

Would you rather be an Engineer learning how to Product or a Product Manager learning how to Engineer?

Answer is obvious mate. And it's already in motion. 
 Everyone knows current product management breed is a messed up fraudulent bunch. They will run into poverty if they don't change ways🙂

Founding Engineer

Welcome to Personal Finance's Private Community

Can engineers earn more than doctors in India.

Why Indian Engineers after getting job share only how did they get job.. how to prepare for that.. and opening the youbtube channel now becomes compulsory? Is it real engineering? I am student but I don't think it is good for real engineers

I work as a PM in a startup and was very surprised to learn from my colleagues that PMs earn lesser than engineers, sometimes by even 30-40%!!

PM Interview Assignment

Happy Labour Day people!

Product Marketing Manager

I am a 6 yrs experienced Software developer and part of a mid-stage startup. This is my third job; I have been working here for 3 years. I was involved here as one of the core engineers at the start in developing the overall platform, After that, my growth as an engineer stagnated for 2 years . 

Constant importance and priority are given to business requirements and hacky work getting pushed to production in the name of fast iterations and business impact every week. 

My engineering manager lacks proper engineering skills and doesn't respect engineers even after their impact on the company and constantly keeps saying the engineering team doesn't contribute to the revenue of the company despite us pushing work that improves business positively. 

Last year around November, around 80% of the engineering team was subtly suggested to start looking out for work (basically a soft layoff) because management was too scared of a social media backlash

Due to all this,2 years' worth of technical debt has accumulated on the overall codebase and apart from giving justification for every code improvement that we try to make there, we still have to work on business/product requirements. 

My growth as an engineer has stopped and I am worried about missing out on the latest developments in the tech industry, especially with AI in the picture, and want to make my skillset somewhat AI-proof. I have come back to hands-on coding this year , so that's a positive start. I am considering taking a 3-4 month break after resigning from my company to study, develop side projects, develop a portfolio etc

Has anyone else been in this boat ? How did you come out strong?

Side Effects of working at startups

So last week, I got coffee from Starbucks early morning and was sipping it while travelling to the client office.

As soon as I got to the reception, I was asked to go into a conference room where the CEO and the tech lead was there with the entire tech team. CEO straight up says, "We have a problem, a BIG one". Someone from our team had introduced a bug into the codebase for an internal API that had no fallbacks, their main service was down because of us. They had pushed a hot-fix which reverted to an older version based on a heuristic but it lacked a lot of the ML intelligence we had built for them. 

My PPT suddenly seemed worthless. I was almost on the verge of breakdown because I was pulling very long hours. Bhai! I didn't meet my girlfriend on one of the dates and she was super mad at me.

I coordinated with our developers, reviewed code personally after 6 years of no coding, and called colleagues at Deloitte for support. We re-deployed project on K8s and? It worked obv. CEO shakes my hand and I head back home.

Leaving the office, I felt that what am I even doing with my life. I feel that I should get back to coding now. So, I have decided to devote weekends to brush up my tech skills. Girlfriend is supportive toh dekhte hain kya hota hai.

Done with BIG 4 consulting FOREVER//

I don't know if this is a right place to vent out , had been topper in college , schools always distinguished from other students did standout by doing things out of box . My friends used to go enjoy trips while I was busy participating in hackathons and conferences during college. Used to put double efforts for doing things which not all students did.... 

Gradually got into MNC with very good package ,later working over there for some years realised had to change and interviewed for 30+ companies including Microsoft, Meta , Google and cracked almost all companies which I gave interview for. This happened during covid But yeah did change to the company where I felt I could learn a lot .... and here comes the twist of the life.


Fast forward 2 years I couldn't prove myself over here and kind of not able to clear any interviews now and feels like not enjoying life by over working , spending my most amount of time in front of laptop not meeting friends or go for hobby activities due to the preparation for interviews ... Feels like missing out on life and also feeling my company switch is not going anywhere and also my current job growth is also going in negative direction.

But yeah not sure why for the same person where all tasks were very easy and now has turned to nightmare.... Like not able to do anything which I had done earlier... How did you stay strong when things go south in your life ?? 

I am just hoping I will be able to achieve them back.... 😞

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