You also need to be proactive for business although you don’t have any say in business and if you say anything you are ignored anyway because manager is always right BS 🥱

Software Engineer

So it’s a rant about tech lead/heads who want everything at one go and thinks magically this will happen. This chap out of his way is demanding everything now  Main project with fuckall side issues...

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So it’s a rant about tech lead/heads who want everything at one go and thinks magically this will happen. This chap out of his way is demanding everything now -
Main project with fuckall side issues resolved immediately 
Good documentation
Neat code
Issue resolution of team
Prod issue tasks also necessary because then their ass is on fire
Random request - kionki inhone meeting mein bs stackoverflow ke answers pelne hote hai

What will you do in this situation ?

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The experienced colleague in my office is not supportive. How do I make her favourable to me ? She don't like work collaboratively when managers assigns a task for us. When I ask her she used to say Sir have not said to me do that.

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If absolutely all software engineers obsess over business metrics rather than technology it would be net-net great outcome for the ecosystem as well for the individual economically, socially.

I find it childish when a CTO/Architect/Principal engineer obsess over code & infra architecture, low level/high level design, scalability.

Outcome:
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I want engineers at all seniority levels and all disciplines must only care about biz metrics. Product management should cease to exist. 

Everything tech will fall into place. 

If you were the product manager of the "bangalore", how would you approach this?

One approach i thought -
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To get into Bangalore tech ecosystem you must need a certification from a institution (For ex: Tech School), absolutely mandatory from this school irrespective of your college background. 

This tech school will allow everyone to enter, online lectures, teach customer empathy, research, industry standard tech, product management, design. Aim is to set correct mindset for growth and first principle thinking. 

This will make college background irrelevant.

What can we do to make software engineers obsess over business metrics rather than tech

Founder

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Seedhi baat, no bakwaas!

UX/UI designer

Let people guess what it is that you really do.

Poorly explain what you do for a living

Growth Manager

I am going to make a jargon dictionary, please give your suggestions

Corporate is more about jargons☹️

Frontend Engineer

Let it all out. Use this thread as an outlet.

What’s bothering you?

So During our scum calls with client my manager  gives update for whole team himself and doesnt let us update on the task which we have worked on ourself . Mf just grabs all the glory  in pursuit for good feedback from client side   meanwhile he does nothing technical  and during internal meeting he says you guys should speak more with client  and ALSO he ask for everyone's update on task before scrum and then pokes why is it not done even on task whose estimated completion  date/time is far away. 

So annoying and frustating .

Just a rant from your average software dev . 
Do give any solution you might have . 🙂
Thanks for reading.

Down bad manager ! Glory hunter.

Data engineer

I'm not sure who needs to hear this, but I’m briefly sharing my experience! I have around 3YOE in software development. Previously, I worked at a large product-based company, where everything was fine except for the salary and hikes, which didn't meet my expectations. So, I decided to switch jobs and ended up at a consulting start-up-like firm with a small product development team (about 15 people inc myself), receiving a decent 50% raise. This is my first job switch. The working style between the two companies is significantly different (5 days WFO, only formal attire, 10 hr working as the norm, etc.). I've noticed a few odd things.

->It’s my third month in this company, and I admit I’m a bit of a slow performer. It’s taking me time to understand their applications, pick up the pace, and get up to speed. My assigned tasks are falling behind deadlines, while my co-workers are able to complete theirs on time. I acknowledge this, and I’m working on improving and catching up.

->In meetings and scrum calls, I’m getting yelled at when my tasks don't progress. If I hit a roadblock and ask my manager or the lead for help, instead of getting the support I need, I’m hit with questions like, "We've implemented the same feature in other applications without any issues—why are you the only one facing these doubts or blockers?" or "If xyz (a colleague who joined with me but has less experience) is getting their tasks done, why are you the only one struggling with these doubts or blockers?"

->Frequent UI-UX changes and sudden shifts in implementation, whenever they feel like it, are quite confusing for me and result in a lot of rework. However, these ad-hoc changes are never acknowledged, and the effort spent on reworking isn't captured anywhere. When I mention that I've worked on these changes, they respond by questioning why I need time for them, as if my code will magically handle everything on its own,apne ap hojayega!

-> I am questioning my abilities after coming to this team, whether I am the right fit or not. Very harsh comments are passed right in front of my face: Other team mates say to me that "You are Lucky in this team! This much leverage the management has never given to me or others, they are baring you even if your tasks are not moving ahead!", In 1-on-1 my manager is saying ki "I don't know, this much leverage and patience we have never shown to anyone"(its hardly 2.5m after joining), "I don't know what to say, other team mates are asking me(to my manager) if he(ie me) can do lesser work ,we are performing way higher why do you have problems with us! This creates problems in teams". He further added "Comparison shouldn't be made, but xyz is also newly joined but he picked up, but I don't have confidence in you to give any task and feel you will accomplish it!"

->When I ask my co-workers casual questions or try to have a small interaction, their responses are things like, "Oh, do we really have to explain all this?" or "What do you want this time? Why are you eating my head?" It's a small team of 14-15 people, and they all sit together and go for coffee or lunch, but no one includes me or talks to me. I know this isn't directly related to work, and it shouldn't matter, but I just wanted to express how uncomfortable the air is around me.

-> Even though xyz’s work has several bugs and coding standard mismatches, it’s brushed off as normal. But when it comes to my work, it’s heavily scrutinized. My manager even created a group with a tester where, every day, I have to update what feature I implemented and log the hours I spent on it. The tester then immediately tests it and flags bugs on the same day. This testing happens alongside my development, even before my code is pushed to production. It feels like my manager has completely lost trust in me, and now, every hour of my work is under a microscope.

Some of you might be managers—how do you handle folks in their first few months of joining? How do you handle someone who performs slow? I’m constantly improving, and compared to previous sprints, my tasks are getting better, but before I can even take a breath, I’m hit with these comments that make me feel dumb. The phrases I’ve included in quotes are actual words I hear daily, and I've only mentioned a few of them. Is this how corporate life works? Is it normal to be treated like this, or should I feel privileged that I haven't been fired yet? Should I be setting boundaries when it comes to receiving such intense criticism? I’m not sure what to do. No matter how much I push myself to improve, it feels like they expect me to perform at 200kph, and I just can’t keep up. I feel completely inadequate and dumb.

Thanks for reading all the way through...

Can I get scolded in corporate? Or set boundaries. Long post but if you read till end i would be happy!

I thought I was the only one frustrated with meetings until my colleagues also mentioned they were not able to get work done because most of the day was spent on meetings

Plus our boss (CEO) loves talking, anyway the meetings are agenda-less. He stretches 30 min calls to 2 hours and then has the audacity to question the productivity.

Cannot tell me this, he gets very touchy when feedback is negative for him. And then writes sarcastic messages.
Also, who wants to take up fights with person who pays your salary

What to do in this case? I'm tired of working 12 hours each day

Too many meetings, and our boss is one yapper

Before you raise your pitchforks let me preface by saying that I am glad LC exists which has allowed me to basically double my comp in a very small time and I have seen many people able to make jumps into high paying jobs and bettering their lives.

Having said that, I sometimes feel I am working with absolute buffoons who need to be spoon fed at every single step to get any meaningful progress. These people are excellent when tasks are well groomed and will complete them efficiently. 

Now put them in an ambiguous situation that will need talking to product and/or customers and no progress will be made for weeks. Every single solution would be hacked together quickly without giving it some thought as to what the longer term implications might be. Asking them to work on projects that need coordination with multiple teams means risking deadlines and escalations.

I would expect a fresher with no experience to struggle with the above but not seasoned devs with 7-8 years under their belt and at this point I have seen too many of them. There's definitely a place for leetcode but I think practical questions is a better vetting tool.

/rant

Leetcode style hiring has lowered hiring bar across the industry

I’ve been observing millenial graduate engineers for 2 years now.
They think they know everything. Due to this they do not feel respecting the senior in team. I am not focusing about the senior by age but experience.
In the latest AI age, they hace access to solution for every doubt. This makes them arrogant and they don’t want to get mentored as well. 
Does anyone else have the same feelings?

Freshers dont respect seniors

Note - I am a product manager too

4 out of 5 product managers will act all high and mighty of themselves, bragging their way as if they run everything going on in the company, flaunting their business degrees and being utterly disrespectful towards their team( dev design qa name it), 

Recently started going to office so the attitude I am seeing is very transparent and more visible (more with the higher experience folks)

It makes me wanna leave this hyper inflated role, thinking of I will end up like them scares me, and you have to do is speak out jargons in meetings day in day out and have a English accent of Shashi Tharoor.

Recently my manager told that this is a role where you have to very representable or very visible and act in floor as if you are the busiest person on earth and I seriously some PMs in company doing that, they walk so fast in floor as if they will fall off or would be better to have 4 legs.

I am done with this product management shit

Product Manager

Its been a few good years of product roles being adopted in Indian companies big & small, 
Yet they remain the most random wild cards.

From skewness towards just tools (SQL, Clevertap, Jira etc) to absolute monstrosity in 3 years exp + MBA + tech background for an APM role 🤡

Latest trend is domain experience. N years in Retail, Erp, Cloud etc. 

Golden days of free entry and learning are over. 

Let’s see how things go if the role even survives in its current form(s).

Evolution of the product role

I want to know how many of you viners gets exceeds expectations ratings in their company. What different you guys do to get it. I always gets meets. No matter how much I do great and extra work.

Exceeds expectations

Tech lead

1. High pressure on timelines- business and top management shits on you if you don’t deliver on time
2. No power to control the outcome- engineers don’t listen to you neither does the design or analytics team, you end up begging for resources
3. Too much politics- business or a senior PM can steal your bandwidth anytime
4. Lack of recognition- if it succeeds business did it, if it fails it is product teams fault (engg never gets blamed for shit)

I believe Product Management is a really toxic role

Question is more towards understanding of a developer. May be at SDK or developer tools. 

Would love to understand on what can be built around SDK or developer tools.

Developers, How do you think PM’s can make your life easier technicall?

I am fed up with people who try to steal other people’s credit. Be it your manager, your colleague or anyone how do you avoid them from taking your credit for the work you have done. Worst part is seeing them try hard to showcase it as their own. What do you all suggest for such situations?

Avoiding people who feed on other’s credit

I'm working as an APM at a startup for about a year now. I work with another guy who happens to be my senior, PM and both of us report to the director.

Of late, my senior, i.e., the PM has been undermining my work when the two of us are working together, subtly taunting me that what I've done is pretty easy and non impactful business wise. He also disregards the decisions made by me, modifies the PRDs discovered and written by me and mails them as his own.

Eventually, he ends up adding me to the walkthrough calls because I had discovered the features but then concludes everything such that he had owned everything end to end.

Recently, both of us were given a documentation to be done by our manager, i.e., the director. I had completed almost 70% of that document, but in our call with the director he presented it saying that he had written that document and I had made a few changes to it.

This undermines my work and visibility of my capabilities. I don't know how to tackle this situation, my manager is usually busy and leaves it upto this PM to allocate work, which he unfairly uses.

How do I talk to my manager about this. I'm fairly new to corporate, just graduated last year and don't know how to handle all this.

But this thing has been bothering me lately, really looking forward to any advise my fellow grapeviners may have.

Senior taking credit for my work

Hey fellow SWE. I am a fresher in tech and would love to know about how you people deal with imposter syndrome. Every software engineer has to go through their career journey. When u will be assigned some work that u have no idea about how to implement. And your manager will be on your ass to ask you for an ETA. How do you all deal with such discomforting feelings?

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