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One of the old employees dropped a bomb of an e-mail against the entire leadership of PhonePe Mass Offline leadership addressing about mental harassment, hostile comments, threatening to sack, and pushing employees to have no work life balance. This mail was sent to the Founder Sameer Nigam and the HR Head.

Ex Employee shares a mail about workplace culture and toxicity at PhonePe

Respected Sir/Madam, 
 I am writing in regards to the current environment at our (PhonePe) workplace. I believe that there are several factors that could be addressed to create a better environment for employees, and I would like to bring these issues to your attention. 
 First, Our Top Management Leader Mr XYZ, ABC & STU is mentally harassing employees 
 and intimidation are common occurrences in the workplace. This is in the form of hostile comments, threatening to sack, creating undue pressure. It is creating a detrimental effect on employee morale and productivity. 
 Secondly the work-life balance is often out of balance, with long working hours (8:00 am to 10:00 pm and limited opportunities for relaxation or breaks, it is leading to burnout and stress-related illnesses. It is essential that employees are given reasonable working hours and frequent breaks to ensure their physical and mental wellbeing. 
 Fourth, These managers shout at employees on occasions by calling them on calls and asking random questions and harassing. This type of behavior is not conducive to creating a productive environment within the org. It only serves to create an atmosphere of fear and anxiety among employees. It is important that managers treat employees with respect and professionalism at all times. 
 Lastly, to say - Sales is a continuous process and it fluctuates day on day depending upon good and bad weather, political environment, absentism in team etc but managers above and down the line shout only for numbers without recognition for our hard work. This is leading to burnout and discontentment among employees who feel taken advantage of or undervalued. 
 Furthermore these action have had severe consequences in those leaders personnel family relationships, causing irreparable damage of their own life is trying to damage life of others by ruthless behaviour and poor decisions. 
 Finally I have decided to leave the organisation and I hope this will be taken into consideration when creating a p

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Not an Anti India or Indian hating post but I work in sales and I’ve discovered that Indians act so entitled as if they’re some high and mighty royals who have transcended from heavens above when interacting with anyone who’s calling them after they themselves requesting for it. 

Half the times these dumb clowns can’t even articulate 2 sentences together in English and struggle to understand what you try and tell them but act like they know it all. 

We’ve got to clean up our act as customers and human beings before we make a bigger mockery of ourselves than what’s already out there. No wonder we’re categorised as the cheap hooligan crowd outside.

Indian customers act the most entitled when they’re worth the least

Me dumb clown, no string together sentence in English. You selling? Me customer? You want me lick your ass? Me not likely :(

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Hello everyone reading this, quick intro, I am a 2023 graduate from deshbandhu college holding a Bachelor's degree in Science with a major in Mathematics.

Started my CAT Prep in august 2023, Left my previous job in november end due to tedious work which was not catering to my long-term goals and now, unfortunately, victim of the current job market.....since the opportunities are not very fulfilling from some time, I moved ahead with continuing my rigorous CAT Prep from january & its going really great....but due to increasing financial problems, i'm now compelled to take up a sales role in a bank's branch....I am not much interested in sales work & it was one of the reasons why I left my previous job.....but, now i'm not much concerned about it.... because i'm being advised to go with the flow for some time & take up any job on the side to manage the household.

The thing which concerns me the most is "will working in a sales role or a branch office affect my application in tier-1 b-schools?" Since i'm preparing for tier-1 b-schools only....i see no benefit in doing an mba from tier-2/3 school...neither monetarily nor network-wise. I'm really scared & concerned about taking up this job & my application in b-schools.....kindly help me out....i'm stressed out and this is causing me sleep deprivation.....

Thank you everyone for reading this!

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I am hating my sales job , and i quit my job , because of toxic work culture and manager , what to do now , i still love sales.

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This is without a doubt a very lucrative career, possibly even a little underrated with new workforce, provided you're able to meet quotas and are good at it.

3 things I've learnt so far are:
1. Client doesn't care what your product offers 90 percent of the time
2. U gave to establish a trade-off between long term and short term goals
3. Things are slow, day to day is super operational. Impact creation is always a hit or miss

Let me know yours!

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My Ceo says sales teaches life lessons and there are very few he has seen who did badly in sales but went onto succeed in life

One year into it and I wonder why sales training is so essential. Yes perseverance and putting your ego down and learning to take No for an answer. But I still think too much is made of it.

Most of the time is spent dealing with distributors who don't want to pay, outlets who basically want all stuff for free. Nobody cares about the brand value, sales story or pitch, product quality etc

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Too much negativity everywhere. I just want to find ppl who genuinely like what they are doing. If you are one, what do you do and what makes you happy?

is there someone who actually...LOVES their job?

Am too old to love my job. Relaized am just  a cog in the wheel. I work for money. When i hear the mgmt team talk nonsense about purpose and adding value, i happily smile to his face and laugh in my mind.  
 Am here for the money.  The company can fuck itself.

Young SWE start with double digit salaries, while someone in Non tech will need 5-10 years to reach that level
Even the business roles, the direct revenue generating roles don't pay good traditionally

Funny how techies think everyone gets paid similar
A lot of it changed with startups trying to acquire talent, but not sustainable
Because the market simply doesn’t pay

How do non tech compete with this skewed demand-supply chain?

Tech and Non tech Pay Partiality is something no one talks about

Engineers deserve their pay.  
  
 1 - The code that engineers write are assets of a company. The code might keep running and serving customers for years after a engineer has probably even left the company.  
 On the other hand, the work that most non-tech folks do are not assets, but an operational expense.  
  
 Companies don't derive benefit of a non-tech even beyond the same month the work is performed.  
  
 The difference is the same as painting your house vs brushing your teeth. You don't paint your house everyday but you do brush your teeth. Painting here is a long lasting asset, adds to the value of the house. Brushing is necessary work but with ultimately perishable benefits.  
  
 2 - Code that engineers write provide non-linear benefits. A team of 30 in Zerodha were able to serve 3-5x more customers in the pandemic. This same scalability does not apply to non-tech majdoori. Business has scaled? Hire more heads. Not with code. 
  
  
 Obviously above does not apply to senior managerial folks who build and architect the organisation, set the cultures, create processes. The impact of their work is long lasting and non-linear. But work of junior business non-tech folks - well, they're getting paid as much as the value they create. Low leverage, low pay. Coding is very high leverage. 
  
 Before you jump on me, I worked for sales in years. Then shifted to product. Above two points are a reality whether you like it or not.

Product Manager

That’s it. This is the post. I’m at the point of exhaustion where I can’t even find the words to rant.

It’s as bad as they say it is

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Sales Manager ab se PM. 
On a serious note, how many agree with this. Pls no hate for any job function, yu to har cheez imp hai wrna kuch bhi nhi hai

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